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Eintrag #755709

KaneelVor 1 Jahr
I would appreciate a double checking on this.

It appears we have to remove this entry because he is manufactured by good smile arts shanghai, not gsc.
Gsc had a lenghty news report about the newly created company a while ago
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Hi, I don't mean to co-opt this alert but I'd like clarification on a situation that I think is similar to the current GSC/GS Arts Shanghai exception being permitted.

I've seen a few figures that I want to add to the database (Example: detail.tmall.co...) Chinese Origin, Manufactured by Bandai Namco Shanghai (BNTSH is their toy division, Chinese manufacturer) and produced by Bandai Namco Entertainment (Japanese). They are also being released with Ichibansho branding (what Bandai localized the Ichiban Kuji ENTRY #23397 brand as in China). To my knowledge, I also don't believe they are planned for sale outside China right now. I was wondering if these would fall within the exceptions being permitted to GSC currently?
EDIT: There also seems to be a blurring of BNTSH and Bandai Spirits as some figures on the Bandai Shanghai store are branded with BNTSH when they're listed in other places as manufactured by Bandai Spirits.
Vor 2 Monaten
BloodFlowerVor 1 Jahr#62714013I would like some researching before saying this is a good idea or not. For example, what else can this open up for? Does Barbie and other non-Japanese items distributed in Japan have these as well or do they keep their American codes? Because I rather not see this database getting flooded with non-relevant items because a new rule opened up for it (and believe me, someone will realise that this is doable and add a bunch, it's only a matter of time). The *printed on box* clause is obviously suppose to disqualify imports, but you bring up a good point that international companies with domestic branches would possibly be repackaging their figures for the Japanese market which may qualify them for the database under that rule. Unfortunately I don't know what the regulations are in this case, and someone inside Japan would probably be needed to get some packaging examples.

Another idea is because we can track producers via JAN codes, If a figure is released using the company portion of a known Japanese manufacture in its JAN code (the 5 digits after the 2 country digits identify the company producing the figure) that figure could be allowed in the database.

Some examples:

Myethos's Snow White's JAN code is 4582428461886
Searching the database for 4582428 (territory+company) reveals that figure appears to be tied to Milestone and this code is printed directly on the box. Coincidentally the JAN code for ITEM #368017 is 4582428466362 which also is tied to Milestone. Since registering and maintaining company codes does cost money it may be fraud to use one without permission.

This second set of examples gets a little tricky since I just noticed the JAN codes for these figures are actually NOT printed on the box and is a distribution sticker, but since it may also apply to this alerted figure it should be pointed out. (I should have dug out my boxes sooner since I was mistaken on White Rabbit) 4580416920773, 4580416922302, and ITEM #755709 all use Good Smile Company's company code but the former two use GSC distribution stickers. If the nendo also uses a distribution sticker and GSC Shanghai has its own company code which appears might be the case for these Nendos. Would that make the other figures qualify? Would that make these nendos disqualified? The issue here is obviously anything GSC slaps their stickers on might be able to be accepted into the database. (also it would mean the JAN/EAN13 codes on these nendos are incorrect if that is a distribution sticker which brings up the question if the original barcode should be tracked down.)


Honestly a simpler method may be to start tracking company codes, and allow people to submit non Japanese company codes for exception if they work closely with Japanese companies or produce anime figures that target the Japanese market. Then any figures using that company code as the prefix could be allowed. Myethos for instance appears to be 6971804 (From Wisteria and peeling the sticker off my White Rabbit) and Hobbymax 6970132 (Peeling the sticker off my Kar98k) The 69 part is obliviously China's territory code and if needed I can grab pics of my boxes for the codes.

As the Chinese game and figure market that targets both China and Japan grows and becomes more entangled this issue is only going to get worse so it would be nice if a solution could be found. It's a real shame to not have all the Azure Lane and Girls Frontline figures in the database just to name a few obvious examples.
Vor 1 Jahr
ItsaTimmyVor 1 Jahr#62679254Out of curiosity has any progress been made on situations like this? If not have you considered going by JAN/EAN-13 codes for figures, requiring that they be printed on the box (not a distribution sticker) and use the country code prefix 45 or 49 for Japan? That would surely include these nendos as well as many other figures that were produced with the help of Japanese companies for the Japanese market but wouldn't otherwise be in the database.
As an example most Myethos and HobbyMax figures use the 45 prefix as they have worked closely with Japanese companies (Milestone and now GSC for Myethos and GSC for HobbyMax to produce these figures. An exception is Myethos's Wisteria which uses the 69 prefix for China.


I would like some researching before saying this is a good idea or not. For example, what else can this open up for? Does Barbie and other non-Japanese items distributed in Japan have these as well or do they keep their American codes? Because I rather not see this database getting flooded with non-relevant items because a new rule opened up for it (and believe me, someone will realise that this is doable and add a bunch, it's only a matter of time).
Vor 1 Jahr
Kaneel on Ice
ItsaTimmyVor 1 Jahr#62679254Out of curiosity has any progress been made on situations like this? If not have you considered going by JAN/EAN-13 codes for figures, requiring that they be printed on the box (not a distribution sticker) and use the country code prefix 45 or 49 for Japan? That would surely include these nendos as well as many other figures that were produced with the help of Japanese companies for the Japanese market but wouldn't otherwise be in the database.
As an example most Myethos and HobbyMax figures use the 45 prefix as they have worked closely with Japanese companies (Milestone and now GSC for Myethos and GSC for HobbyMax to produce these figures. An exception is Myethos's Wisteria which uses the 69 prefix for China.


I'll distribute this into the chat to see if we get any reactions.

Right now it is just as i commented back then, the moment the discussion was tried to get into a thread it pretty much died down.

I have to say the focus on the JAN code would be an interesting option so say the least.
Bloodflower did had a point when she mentioned that we do have to take into account several lines from other companies which where produced from the non-japanese branches.
Focusing on the JAN would at least iliminate this if it doesn't fit.

A very personal concern would be, if this could be safely implemented, to making sure that anyone entering an entry under this condition knows where to properly look for information.
Vor 1 Jahr
Out of curiosity has any progress been made on situations like this? If not have you considered going by JAN/EAN-13 codes for figures, requiring that they be printed on the box (not a distribution sticker) and use the country code prefix 45 or 49 for Japan? That would surely include these nendos as well as many other figures that were produced with the help of Japanese companies for the Japanese market but wouldn't otherwise be in the database.

As an example most Myethos and HobbyMax figures use the 45 prefix as they have worked closely with Japanese companies (Milestone and now GSC for Myethos and GSC for HobbyMax to produce these figures. An exception is Myethos's Wisteria which uses the 69 prefix for China.
Vor 1 Jahr
For now, I'll drop this alert in the Database Matters thread. Maybe it'll get the attention of other staff members.

Updating the rules to 'japanese manufacturer and/or producer' would be the best solution and shouldn't get out of hand too much since there aren't many such cases.
Vor 1 Jahr
Kaneel on Ice
AgonVor 1 Jahr#44452614snip

I don't think kuma has yet seen the other alert considering it's been open for nearly two months by now.
If ou have an idea of where to best start a thread about it which will get his attention, by all means do it.
But more than often enough i felt that the moment you try to get the discussion outside of the alert it will die down.
While alerts have the downside of being overseen a lot.

BloodFlowerVor 1 Jahr#44467379snip

I can't recall where we had this discussion before, but i remember that muntoe was pointing out pretty much the same.
I.e, if we would go the distributor route we would open a can of worms and would be forced to create a list of allowed distributors, which then would open the discussion why x is allowed but not y.


I've been wracking my mind about this and came up with this proposal.

We update the database guidelines to japanese manufacturer and/ or Producer.

This would avoid the can of worms with figures being distributed by japanese companies and we would still keep the manufacturing process as the main point to dertermine if an item is allowed or not but not strictly manufactured but also allowing items where a japanese company was involved with the production.

Like gsc with shanghai arts and also the whole emon/ AC toys issue where i really fail to see where one companies involment ends and the others begins.

If producer can work out we definitely have to make an announcement about this but might take the chance to add also some more updates.
I'm kindly pointing to the picture suggestions as well as another one i'm posting as we speak.
Vor 1 Jahr
Any additional thoughts from other mods? I fear that all the figures of Chinese origins announced by GSC some time ago (and there's quite a few of them in the DB) are gonna be made by Good Smile Arts from now on...

Good Smile Arts is also making ENTRY #158198, but the game is Japanese so it's alright to leave them in the DB, but what about other entries?

Edit:

Looks like other nendos from ENTRY #151163 are also being made by Good Smile Arts Shanghai...

Emboar500Vor 1 Jahr#44545624He's cute.
But what's in the label "Good Smile Arts Shanghai"? I already owned nendoroid Ye Xiu and his box also have that label.
Vor 1 Jahr
Just jumping in with some views about what to think about if they rules somehow will change to allow these:

If we're gonna treat branches as the same company instead of treating each branch as their own then so should Yamato, Bandai, Sega, Sony, etc. be treated as well. There's a lot of figures by their western branches that keeps getting added and removed. I know we have the rement rule, but I don't see why we should only let one company get exception from the "branches are their own companies"-rule.

If a Chinese figure will be allowed due to having an official distributor in Japan then I will guarantee you that there will be even more unhappy faces regarding companies like Myethos and Hobby Max were a part of their figures still won't be allowed. This will probably make moderating harder as well. And what about things like the American made Shovel Knight amiibo who got Nintendo officially distributing it in Japan? There's more figures than just Chinese ones that have Japanese distributors and that would probably be the next "why can't we have x when we have y" in that case.

Just giving another view on it this is not necessarily my own opinions.
Vor 1 Jahr
Ok, GSC just announced ITEM #781946 and it's also gonna be made by the Shanghai branch of GSC. We should really think about adding a few exceptions to our rules. The manufacturer is based in China, but it's still part of Good Smile.
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